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-Copyright (c) 2004-2006 The Trustees of Indiana University and Indiana
- University Research and Technology
- Corporation. All rights reserved.
-Copyright (c) 2004-2005 The Regents of the University of California.
- All rights reserved.
-Copyright (c) 2006-2008 Cisco Systems, Inc. All rights reserved.
-$COPYRIGHT$
-
-See LICENSE file for a rollup of all copyright notices.
-
-$HEADER$
-
-===========================================================================
-
-This is the Portable Linux Processor Affinity (PLPA) package
-(pronounced "pli-pa"). The PLPA has evolved over time to provide the
-following capabilities:
-
-1. Provide a stable API on Linux for processor affinity (Linux has
- provided three different API signatures over time).
-2. Provide a simple API that translates between Linux processor ID and
- (socket ID, core ID) tuples, and allows querying processor topology
- information on supported platforms.
-3. Provide a command-line executable (plpa-taskset(1)) that provides
- all the same functionality as the venerable taskset(1) command, and
- several extensions, including the ability to bind processes to
- specific (socket, core) tuples on supported platforms.
-
-Note that the PLPA is fully embeddable, meaning that it can be wholly
-contained in larger software packages that wish to have a single,
-stable version of processor affinity API functionality. See below for
-more details on embedding.
-
-Also note that PLPA's socket/core and other topology information is
-only available on certain platforms. Specifically, PLPA reads the
-/sys filesystem to glean its information; if your system does not
-export processor topology information through /sys, the PLPA cannot
-provide that information. For example, AMD/Intel processor topology
-support was included in Linux kernel v2.6.16, but POWER processor
-topology information is not yet supported as of Linux kernel v2.6.26.
-
-In a world where the processor counts in hosts are [again] increasing,
-particularly where at least some of them are NUMA-based architectures,
-processor affinity is becoming more important. We hope that the PLPA
-is helpful to you. Enjoy.
-
-Note that if you're looking into processor affinity, and if you're on
-a NUMA machine, you probably also want to look into libnuma:
-
- ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/ak/numa/
-
-If you are a developer, keep reading. If you are a system
-administrator or other end-user, you're probably more interested in
-using the plpa-info(1) and plpa-taskset(1) executable commands; see
-the output of "plpa-info" and "plpa-taskset --help" for more
-information.
-
-===========================================================================
-
-The following text is specific technical information about the
-original problem that PLPA Was created to solve.
-
-The original intent for the PLPA was for developers who wished to use
-Linux processor affinity via the sched_setaffinity() and
-sched_getaffinity() library calls, but don't want to wade through the
-morass of 3 different APIs that have been offered through the life of
-these calls in various Linux distributions and glibc versions.
-
-Specifically, to compile for any given Linux system, you need some
-complex compile-time tests to figure out which of the 3 APIs to use.
-And if you want your application to be binary portable across
-different Linux distributions, more complex run-time tests (and horrid
-compile-time trickery) are required to figure out which API the system
-you are running on uses.
-
-These problems all stem from the fact that the same 2 symbols have had
-three different APIs (with different numbers and types of
-parameters) throughout their life in Linux. Ick.
-
-The PLPA is an attempt to solve this problem by providing a single API
-that developers can write to. It provides three things:
-
-1. A single API that developers can write to, regardless of what
- back-end API the system you are compiling on has.
-2. A run-time test and dispatch that will invoke the Right back-end
- API depending on what back-end API the system you are running on
- has.
-3. Mapping information between (socket ID, core ID) tuples and Linux
- virtual processor IDs.
-
-===========================================================================
-
-What, exactly, is the problem? History.
-----------------------------------------
-
-There are at least 3 different ways that sched_setaffinity is
-implemented in glibc (only one of which is documented in the
-sched_setaffinity(2) man page), and some corresponding changes
-to what the kernel considers to be valid arguments:
-
-1. int sched_setaffinity(pid_t pid, unsigned int len, unsigned
- long *mask);
-
-This originated in the time period of 2.5 kernels and some distros
-back-ported it to their 2.4 kernels and libraries. It's unknown if
-this version was ever packaged with any 2.6 kernels.
-
-2. int sched_setaffinity (pid_t __pid, size_t __cpusetsize,
- const cpu_set_t *__cpuset);
-
-This appears to be in recent distros using 2.6 kernels. We don't
-know exactly when #1 changed into #2. However, this prototype is nice
-because the cpu_set_t type is accompanied by fdset-like CPU_ZERO(),
-CPU_SET(), CPU_ISSET(), etc. macros.
-
-3. int sched_setaffinity (pid_t __pid, const cpu_set_t *__mask);
-
-(note the missing len parameter) This is in at least some Linux
-distros (e.g., MDK 10.0 with a 2.6.3 kernel, and SGI Altix, even
-though the Altix uses a 2.4-based kernel and therefore likely
-back-ported the 2.5 work or originated it in the first place).
-Similar to #2, the cpu_set_t type is accompanied by fdset-like
-CPU_ZERO(), CPU_SET(), CPU_ISSET(), etc. macros.
-
-But wait, it gets worse.
-
-Remember that getting/setting processor affinity has to involve the
-kernel. The sched_[sg]etaffinity() glibc functions typically do a
-little error checking and then make a syscall down into the kernel to
-actually do the work. There are multiple possibilities for problems
-here as the amount of checking has changed:
-
-1. The glibc may support the affinity functions, but the kernel may
- not (and vice versa).
-
- This is typically only an issue with slightly older Linux distributions.
- Mandrake 9.2 is an example of this. PLPA can detect this at run-time
- and turn its internal functions into no-ops and return appropriate error
- codes (ENOSYS).
-
-2. The glibc affinity functions may be buggy (i.e., they pass bad data
- down to the syscall).
-
- This is fortunately restricted to some older versions of glibc, and
- is relatively easy to check for at run-time. PLPA reliably detects
- this situation at run-time and returns appropriate error codes
- (ENOSYS).
-
- The original SuSE 9.1 version seems to have this problem, but it was
- fixed it somewhere in the SuSE patching history (it is unknown exactly
- when). Specifically, updating to the latest SuSE 9.1 patch level
- (as of Dec 2005) seems to fix the problem.
-
-3. The CPU_* macros for manipulating cpu_set_t bitmasks may not
- compile because of typo bugs in system header files.
-
- PLPA avoids this problem by providing its own PLPA_CPU_* macros for
- manipulating CPU bitmasks. See "How do I use PLPA?", below, for
- more details.
-
-The PLPA avoids all the glibc issues by using syscall() to directly
-access the kernel set and get affinity functions. This is described
-below.
-
-===========================================================================
-
-How does PLPA work?
--------------------
-
-Jeff Squyres initially sent a mail to the Open MPI developer's mailing
-list explaining the Linux processor affinity problems and asking for
-help coming up with a solution (particularly for binary
-compatibility):
-
- http://www.open-mpi.org/community/lists/devel/2005/11/0558.php
-
-Discussion on that thread and others eventually resulted in the
-run-time tests that form the heart of the PLPA. Many thanks to Paul
-Hargrove and Bogdan Costescu for their time and effort to get these
-tests right.
-
-PLPA was written so that other developers who want to use processor
-affinity in Linux don't have to go through this mess. The PLPA
-provides a single interface that can be used on any platform,
-regardless of which back-end API variant it has. This includes both
-the sched_setaffinity() and sched_getaffinity() calls as well as the
-CPU_*() macros.
-
-The PLPA avoids glibc altogether -- although tests were developed that
-could *usually* figure out which glibc variant to use at run time,
-there were still some cases where it was either impossible to
-determine or the glibc interface itself was buggy. Hence, it was
-decided that a simpler approach was simply to use syscall() to invoke
-the back-end kernel functions directly.
-
-The kernel functions have gone through a few changes as well, so the
-PLPA does a few run-time tests to determine which variant to use
-before actually invoking the back-end functions with the
-user-specified arguments.
-
-NOTE: The run-time tests that the PLPA performs involve getting the
-current affinity for the process in question and then attempting to
-set them back to the same value. By definition, this introduces a
-race condition (there is no atomic get-and-set functionality for
-processor affinity). The PLPA cannot guarantee consistent results if
-multiple entities (such as multiple threads or multiple processes) are
-setting the affinity for a process at the same time. In a worst case
-scenario, the PLPA may actually determine that it cannot determine the
-kernel variant at run time if another entity modifies a process'
-affinity while PLPA is executing its run-time tests.
-
-===========================================================================
-
-Does PLPA make truly portable binaries?
----------------------------------------
-
-As much as Linux binaries are portable, yes. That is, if you have
-within your power to make a binary that is runnable on several
-different Linux distributions/versions/etc., then you may run into
-problems with the Linux processor affinity functions. PLPA attempts
-to solve this problem for you by *also* making the Linux processor
-affinity calls be binary portable.
-
-Hence, you need to start with something that is already binary
-portable (perhaps linking everything statically) -- then PLPA will be
-of help to you. Do not fall into the misconception that PLPA will
-magically make your executable be binary portable between different
-Linux variants.
-
-===========================================================================
-
-How do I use PLPA?
-------------------
-
-There are three main uses of the PLPA:
-
-1. Using the plpa-info(1) executable to check if your system supports
- processor affinity and the PLPA can determine which to use at
- run-time.
-2. Developers using the PLPA library both to enable source and binary
- Linux processor affinity portability, and to write
- processor-topology-aware applications.
-3. Using the plpa-taskset(1) executable to bind arbitrary executables
- to Linux virtual processor IDs and/or specific socket/core tuples.
-
-In more detail:
-
-1. The plpa-info(1) executable is a few simple calls into the PLPA
- library that checks which API variant the system it is running on
- has. If the kernel supports processor affinity and the PLPA is
- able to figure out which API variant to use, it prints "Kernel
- affinity support: no". Other responses indicate an error. The
- "--topo" switch will print out basic topology information about
- your system, if supported.
-
- Since the PLPA library abstracts this kind of problem away, this is
- more a diagnostic tool than anything else.
-
- See "plpa-info --help" for more information. A man page does not
- yet exist, unfortunately.
-
- Note that plpa-info is *only* compiled and installed if PLPA is
- installed as a standalone package (see below).
-
-2. Developers can use this package by including the <plpa.h> header
- file and using the following prototypes for setting and getting
- processor affinity:
-
- int plpa_sched_setaffinity(pid_t pid, size_t cpusetsize,
- const plpa_cpu_set_t *cpuset);
-
- int plpa_sched_getaffinity(pid_t pid, size_t cpusetsize,
- const plpa_cpu_set_t *cpuset)
-
- These functions perform run-time tests to determine which back-end
- API variant exists on the system and then dispatch to it correctly.
- The units of cpusetsize is number of bytes. This should normally
- just be sizeof(*cpuset), but is made available as a parameter to
- allow for future expansion of the PLPA (stay tuned).
-
- The observant reader will notice that this is remarkably similar to
- the one of the Linux API's (the function names are different and
- the CPU set type is different). PLPA also provides several macros
- for manipulating the plpa_cpu_set_t bitmask, quite similar to FDSET
- macros (see "What, Exactly, Is the Problem?" above for a
- description of problems with the native CPU_* macros):
-
- - PLPA_CPU_ZERO(&cpuset): Sets all bits in a plpa_cpu_set_t to
- zero.
- - PLPA_CPU_SET(num, &cpuset): Sets bit <num> of <cpuset> to one.
- - PLPA_CPU_CLR(num, &cpuset): Sets bit <num> of <cpuset> to zero.
- - PLPA_CPU_ISSET(num, &cpuset): Returns one if bit <num> of
- <cpuset> is one; returns zero otherwise.
-
- Note that all four macros take a *pointer* to a plpa_cpu_set_t, as
- denoted by "&cpuset" in the descriptions above.
-
- Also note that he PLPA distinguishes between Linux processor,
- socket, and core IDs and processor, socket, and core numbers. The
- *Linux IDs* are kernel-assigned integer values that do not
- necessarily start with zero and are not necessarily contiguous.
- The *numbers* start with 0 and are contiguous to (N-1). The
- numbers are therefore mainly a human convenience; they may or may
- not exactly correspond to the Linux IDs; it is safest to assume
- that they do not.
-
- The following API functions are also available on supported
- platforms with kernels that support topology information (e.g.,
- AMD/Intel platforms with Linux kernel v2.6.16 or later). The list
- below is a summary only; see plpa.h for a specific list of function
- signatures:
-
- - plpa_have_topology_information()
- Will return 1 if the PLPA is able to provide topology
- information, 0 otherwise. If 0 is returned, all the functions
- below will return a negative value to signify a graceful failure.
-
- - plpa_map_to_processor_id()
- Take a (socket ID, core ID) tuple and map it to a Linux processor
- ID
-
- - plpa_map_to_socket_core()
- Take a Linux processor ID and map it to a (socket ID, core ID)
- tuple
-
- - plpa_get_processor_info()
- Return the number of processors and the max Linux processor ID
-
- - plpa_get_processor_id()
- Return the Linux processor ID for the Nth processor (starting
- with 0)
-
- - plpa_get_processor_flags()
- Return whether a Linux processor ID exists, and if so, if it is
- online
-
- - plpa_get_socket_info()
- Return the number of sockets and the max Linux socket ID
-
- - plpa_get_socket_id()
- Return the Linux socket ID for the Nth socket (starting with 0)
-
- - plpa_get_core_info()
- For a given socket ID, return the number of cores and the max
- Linux core ID
-
- - plpa_get_core_id()
- For a given socket ID, return the Linux core ID of the Nth core
- (starting with 0)
-
- - plpa_get_core_flags()
- Return whether a (socket ID,core ID) tuple exists, and if so, if
- it is online
-
- - plpa_set_cache_behavior()
- Tell PLPA to use (or not) a local cache for the topology
- information, or to refresh the cache right now
-
- - plpa_finalize()
- Release all internal resources allocated and maintained by the
- PLPA. It is permissible to invoke other PLPA functions after
- plpa_finalize(), but if you want to release PLPA's resources, you
- will need to invoke plpa_finalize() again. Note that it is not
- necessary (but harmless) to invoke plpa_finalize() on systems
- where plpa_have_topology_information() returns that the topology
- information is not supported.
-
- *** NOTE: Topology information (i.e., (socket ID, core ID) tuples)
- may not be reported for offline processors. Hence, if any
- processors are offline, the socket/core values returned by PLPA
- will likely change once the processor is brought back online.
- Sorry; this is how the Linux kernel works -- there's nothing
- PLPA can do about it.
-
- The above functions are slightly more documented in plpa.h.
- Contributions of real man pages would be greatly appreciated.
-
-3. The plpa-taskset(1) executable represents an evolution of the
- venerable "taskset(1)" command. It allows binding of arbitrary
- processes to specific Linux processor IDs and/or specific (socket
- ID, core ID) tuples. It supports all the same command line syntax
- of the taskset(1) command, but also supports additional syntax for
- specifying socket and core IDs. Hence, you can launch
- processor-bound jobs without needing to modify their source code to
- call the PLPA library. See "plpa-taskset --help" for more
- information on the command line options available, and brief
- examples of usage. A man page does not yet exist, unfortunately.
-
-===========================================================================
-
-How do I compile / install the PLPA as a standalone package?
-------------------------------------------------------------
-
-The PLPA uses the standard GNU Autoconf/Automake/Libtool toolset to
-build and install itself. This means that generally, the following
-works:
-
-shell$ ./configure --prefix=/where/you/want/to/install
-[...lots of output...]
-shell$ make all
-[...lots of output...]
-shell$ make install
-
-Depending on your --prefix, you may need to run the "make install"
-step as root or some other privileged user.
-
-There are a few noteworthy configure options listed below. The
-enable/disable options are shown in their non-default form. For
-example, if --enable-foo is shown below, it is because --disable-foo
-is the default.
-
---enable-emulate: allow using PLPA on platforms that do not have
- __NR_sched_setaffinity (e.g., OS X); usually only useful in
- development / testing scenarios.
-
---disable-executables: do not build the PLPA executables; only build
- the library.
-
---enable-included-mode: build PLPA in the "included" mode (see
- below).
-
---enable-debug: this option is probably only helpful for PLPA
- developers.
-
---with-plpa-symbol-prefix=STRING: a string prefix to add to all public
- PLPA symbols. This is usually only useful in included mode (see
- below).
-
---with-valgrind(=DIR): require building PLPA with Valgrind support
- (requires finding include/valgrind/memcheck.h). This will add a
- small number of Valgrind annotations in the PLPA code base that
- remove false/irrelevant Valgrind warnings. The =DIR clause is only
- necessary if Valgrind's header files cannot be found by the
- preprocessor's default search path.
-
-"make install" will install the following:
-
-- <plpa.h> in $includedir (typically $prefix/include)
-- libplpa.la and libplpa.a and/or libplpa.so in $libdir (typically
- $prefix/lib)
-- plpa-info(1) executable in $bindir (typically $prefix/bin)
-- plpa-taskset(1) executable in $bindir (typically $prefix/bin)
-
-Note that since PLPA builds itself with GNU Libtool, it can be built
-as a static or shared library (or both). The default is to build a
-shared library. You can enable building a static library by supplying
-the "--enable-static" argument to configure; you can disable building
-the shared library by supplying the "--disable-shared" argument to
-configure. "make install" will install whichever library was built
-(or both).
-
-"make uninstall" will fully uninstall PLPA from the prefix directory
-(again, depending in filesystem permissions, you may need to run this
-as root or some privileged user).
-
-===========================================================================
-
-How do I include/embed PLPA in my software package?
----------------------------------------------------
-
-It can be desirable to include PLPA in a larger software package
-(be sure to check out the LICENSE file) so that users don't have to
-separately download and install it before installing your software
-(after all, PLPA is a tiny little project -- why make users bother
-with it?).
-
-When used in "included" mode, PLPA will:
-
-- not install any header files
-- not build or install any executables
-- not build libplpa.* -- instead, it will build libplpa_included.*
-
-There are two ways to put PLPA into "included" mode. From the
-configure command line:
-
-shell$ ./configure --enable-included-mode ...
-
-Or by directly integrating PLPA's m4 configure macro in your configure
-script and invoking a specific macro to enable the included mode.
-
-Every project is different, and there are many different ways of
-integrating PLPA into yours. What follows is *one* example of how to
-do it.
-
-Copy the PLPA directory in your source tree and include the plpa.m4
-file in your configure script -- perhaps with the following line in
-acinclude.m4 (assuming the use of Automake):
-
-m4_include(path/to/plpa.m4)
-
-The following macros can then be used from your configure script (only
-PLPA_INIT *must* be invoked if using the m4 macros):
-
-- PLPA_STANDALONE
- Force the building of PLPA in standalone mode. Overrides the
- --enable-included-mode command line switch.
-
-- PLPA_INCLUDED
- Force the building of PLPA in included mode.
-
-- PLPA_SET_SYMBOL_PREFIX(foo)
- Tells the PLPA to prefix all types and public symbols with "foo"
- instead of "plpa_". This is recommended behavior if you are
- including PLPA in a larger project -- it is possible that your
- software will be combined with other software that also includes
- PLPA. If you both use different symbol prefixes, there will be no
- type/symbol clashes, and everything will compile and link
- successfully. If you both include PLPA and do not change the symbol
- prefix, it is likely that you will get multiple symbol definitions
- when linking if an external PLPA is linked against your library /
- application. Note that the PLPA_CPU_*() macros are *NOT* prefixed
- (because they are only used when compiling and therefore present no
- link/run-time conflicts), but all other types, enum values, and
- symbols are. Enum values are prefixed with an upper-case
- translation if the prefix supplied. For example,
- PLPA_SET_SYMBOL_PREFIX(foo_) will result in foo_init() and
- FOO_PROBE_OK. Tip: It might be good to include "plpa" in the
- prefix, just for clarity.
-
-- PLPA_DISABLE_EXECUTABLES
- Provides the same result as the --disable-executables configure
- flag, and is implicit in included mode.
-
-- PLPA_ENABLE_EXECUTABLES
- Provides the same result as the --enable-executables configure flag.
- If used in conjunction with PLPA_INCLUDED, it must be specified
- *after* PLPA_INLCLUDED to have effect, as PLPA_INCLUDED *disables*
- executables.
-
-- PLPA_INIT(config-prefix, action-upon-success, action-upon-failure)
- Invoke the PLPA tests and setup the PLPA to build. A traversal of
- "make" into the PLPA directory should build everything (it is safe
- to list the PLPA directory in the SUBDIRS of a higher-level
- Makefile.am, for example). ***PLPA_INIT must be invoked after the
- STANDALONE, INCLUDED, SET_SYMBOL_PREFIX, DISABLE_EXECUTABLES, and
- ENABLE_EXECUTABLES macros.*** The first argument is the prefix to
- use for AC_OUTPUT files. Hence, if your embedded PLPA is located in
- the source tree at contrib/plpa, you should pass [contrib/plpa] as
- the first argument.
-
-- PLPA_DO_AM_CONDITIONALS
- If you embed PLPA in a larger project and build it conditionally
- (e.g., if PLPA_INIT is in a conditional), you must unconditionally
- invoke PLPA_DO_AM_CONDITIONALS to avoid warnings from Automake (for
- the cases where PLPA is not selected to be built). This macro is
- necessary because PLPA uses some AM_CONDITIONALs to build itself;
- AM_CONDITIONALs cannot be defined conditionally. It is safe (but
- unnecessary) to call PLPA_DO_AM_CONDITIONALS even if PLPA_INIT is
- invoked unconditionally.
-
-Here's an example of integrating with a larger project named sandbox:
-
-----------
-shell$ cd sandbox
-shell$ cp -r /somewhere/else/plpa-<version> plpa
-shell$ edit acinclude.m4
-...add the line "m4_include(plpa/config/plpa.m4)"...
-shell$ edit Makefile.am
-...add "plpa" to SUBDIRS...
-...add "$(top_builddir)/plpa/src/libplpa/libplpa_included.la" to
- my executable's LDADD line...
-...add "-I$(top_builddir)/plpa/src/libplpa" to AM_CPPFLAGS
-shell$ edit configure.ac
-...add "PLPA_INCLUDED" line...
-...add "PLPA_SET_SYMBOL_PREFIX(sandbox_plpa_)" line...
-...add "PLPA_INIT([./plpa], [plpa_happy=yes], [plpa_happy=no])" line...
-...add error checking for plpa_happy=no case...
-shell$ edit src/my_program.c
-...add #include <plpa.h>...
-...add calls to sandbox_plpa_sched_setaffinity()...
-shell$ aclocal
-shell$ autoconf
-shell$ libtoolize --automake
-shell$ automake -a
-shell$ ./configure
-...lots of output...
-shell$ make
-...lots of output...
-----------
-
-===========================================================================
-
-How can I tell if PLPA is working?
-----------------------------------
-
-Run plpa-info; if it says "Kernel affinity support: yes", then PLPA is
-working properly.
-
-If you want to compile your own test program to verify it, try
-compiling and running the following:
-
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-#include <stdio.h>
-#include <plpa.h>
-
-int main(int argc, char* argv[]) {
- plpa_api_type_t p;
- if (0 == plpa_api_probe(&p) && PLPA_PROBE_OK == p) {
- printf("All is good!\n");
- } else {
- printf("Looks like PLPA is not working\n");
- }
- return 0;
-}
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
-You may need to supply appropriate -I and -L arguments to the
-compiler/linker, respectively, to tell it where to find the PLPA
-header and library files. Also don't forget to supply -lplpa to link
-in the PLPA library itself. For example, if you configured PLPA with:
-
-shell$ ./configure --prefix=$HOME/my-plpa-install
-
-Then you would compile the above program with:
-
-shell$ gcc my-plpa-test.c \
- -I$HOME/my-plpa-install/include \
- -L$HOME/my-plpa-install/lib -lplpa \
- -o my-plpa-test
-shell$ ./my-plpa-test
-
-If it compiles, links, runs, and prints "All is good!", then all
-should be well.
-
-===========================================================================
-
-What license does PLPA use?
----------------------------
-
-This package is distributed under the BSD license (see the LICENSE
-file in the top-level directory of a PLPA distribution). The
-copyrights of several institutions appear throughout the code base
-because some of the code was directly derived from the Open MPI
-project (http://www.open-mpi.org/), which is also distributed under
-the BSD license.
-
-===========================================================================
-
-How do I get involved in PLPA?
-------------------------------
-
-The PLPA continues to evolve, particularly as core counts increase and
-internal host topology becomes more important. We want to hear your
-opinions.
-
-The best way to report bugs, send comments, or ask questions is to
-sign up on the user's mailing list:
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- plpa-users@open-mpi.org
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-Because of spam, only subscribers are allowed to post to this list
-(ensure that you subscribe with and post from exactly the same e-mail
-address -- joe@example.com is considered different than
-joe@mycomputer.example.com!). Visit this page to subscribe to the
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- http://www.open-mpi.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/plpa-users
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-Thanks for your time.